"Actually, snow tires on RWD cars perform equally in winter weather than any other drivetra--"

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gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 00:18

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All drivetrains are equal, but some are more equal than others.

lone_liberal > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 00:22

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Maybe when it comes to stopping. Starting? Not so much.

for Michigan > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 00:44

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FTFY.

You know, because snownuts.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 00:47

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Meh, who needs a heavy awd setup in a car when you know that good winter tires on a fwd or rwd car do the job just as good. 90% of people just buy cars with awd for the feel- good factor of having it.

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beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 10/13/2016 at 00:49

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AWD means you can just point the nose in the direction you want to go and mash the loud pedal.

Birddog > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 01:03

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I love you so much!

I’m saving that GIF and have a feeling it will be getting a lot of use now that Snow Tire season is coming near.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 01:04

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I remember this episode. This is the one where Ash leaves Charizard :(

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 10/13/2016 at 01:10

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Booring.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 10/13/2016 at 01:25

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but =/= ‘just as good’

Flavien Vidal > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 10/13/2016 at 01:36

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I’m not sure you’ve driven a lot of a AWD cars in the snow man... Doing so generates a shitload of understeer in an AWD.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > Flavien Vidal 10/13/2016 at 01:38

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only a RAV4 in a paddock, it doesn’t snow much in Australia.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 10/13/2016 at 01:48

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But more fun. I’d rather oversteer into a tree than understeer into a ditch.

Flavien Vidal > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 10/13/2016 at 01:54

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Haha, yeah that does not help. I would never trade the fun of a RWD car in the snow for the understeer of an AWD car...

Videos from last time I got to drive RWD and AWD in the snow back to back... Which one looks more fun? :)

jimz > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 06:41

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Can someone post that gif in the comments of Westbrook’s welded differential article? That thing is a hot mess of stupidity.

random001 > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 10/13/2016 at 07:04

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OR you marry someone who has rarely seen snow and never driven in it, and you buy her a Subaru with snow tires to keep her safe.

Then buy yourself a 400+ HP RWD sedan with snow tires to keep life fun.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 07:36

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In terms of braking and cornering in the snow they do. The advantage AWD gives you is better acceleration which just means you are just going to end up deeper in the snow bank if you screw it up. Snow tires are just a good investment for any car.

PotbellyJoe and 42 others > for Michigan 10/13/2016 at 09:04

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Snownuts in FWD, just throw it in R.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Flavien Vidal 10/13/2016 at 09:39

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Depends on the AWD system. My outback had an open diff in the front, a hydraulic “active” diff in the middle (it could actuate from something like 70-30 to 50-50 power split) and a limited slip in the rear. In D it would understeer when you mat it. However if you put it into 1 or 2 (which would lock the center to a 50-50 split) it would happily throw the rear out.

Milky > PotbellyJoe and 42 others 10/13/2016 at 09:40

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How do I reverse snownuts this?

wiffleballtony > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 09:44

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I’m sure the tires are the same regardless of the wheel they are on but the results may be different.

PotbellyJoe and 42 others > Milky 10/13/2016 at 09:51

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Carefully?

BorkBorkBjork > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/13/2016 at 09:54

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Please, RWD with Snow Tires is vastly inferior in snow to Screw Drive!

Flavien Vidal > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 10/13/2016 at 09:57

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Out of all the Subarus I’ve driven in the snow or elsewhere (many), none wouldn’t understeer if you were to slam it mid-corner. All reacted very well to lift off oversteer, with a slam of the throttle to maintain the whole thing, but to launch it, I have yet to experience power oversteer with them...

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Flavien Vidal 10/13/2016 at 10:03

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I think it has mostly to do with the “locking” center diff in the 4eat paired with an open front and limited slip rear in the Outback. My friends legacy which was a 4eat with open diffs at front and rear required you to initiate the oversteer by lifting or left foot braking. This was only in 1 or 2 when the diff is forced to 50-50. In 3 or D it would understeer as the diff is allowed to vary.

Milky > PotbellyJoe and 42 others 10/13/2016 at 10:28

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Don’t lie to me Joe.

for Michigan > PotbellyJoe and 42 others 10/13/2016 at 10:49

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I’ve done FWD reverse snownuts. It’s just not the same.

PotbellyJoe and 42 others > for Michigan 10/13/2016 at 10:56

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Agreed, it’s not, but it’s better than not hooning at all.

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > BorkBorkBjork 10/13/2016 at 21:08

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Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/14/2016 at 15:39

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Counterpoint:

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > Spiegel - •• - Hopes to post on oppos! 10/14/2016 at 15:41

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You just need the engine in the right place:

Nauraushaun > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 10/15/2016 at 08:17

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The more things I need to do while driving, the more I enjoy it. That’s my fetish.

I need more pedals, more gear sticks, less grip.

Nauraushaun > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 10/15/2016 at 08:20

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It’s not just better acceleration, it’s safer acceleration. If you accelerate while turning, there’s less chance you’ll spin in an AWD. This means you will have less accidents.

They’re not foolproof, snow tyres are a good idea. But AWD does have more grip when accelerating.

There’s a group of misinformed people who think AWD will dig them out of any problem. There’s a group of misinformed contrarians who think AWD has no benefits whatsoever in the snow. They’re both wrong, the truth is somewhere in the middle.